What impact did growing nationalism have on the status of women? What effect did liberalism have on the status of women? Discuss the similarities and/or differences.
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Nationalism became the principal basis for the organization of Europe in the nineteenth century. Nationalists wanted to dominate particular national or ethnic groups within a particular region. It affected 19th century women because Nationalism instilled the belief in people and their governments that their country was better than all others. Nationalism could gain liberal support by espousing their ideals whereas Liberalism favored the idea of the sovereignty of the people. The liberalist's of the 19th century considered human liberty to be the principle in all public-policy matters. The classical liberalist’s started a basis which was that all men should have rights. They believed that men could not be politically secure in their freedom unless the government under which they lived was freely chosen by the people. But by the people, I mean only men at the time, the experience of women was distinct from that of men. Women remained economically dependent and legally inferior. Women lost to their husbands’ control and they had no independent standing before the law. Within boundaries of national political entities, governments would be limited to the protection of life, liberty and property. Throughout the nineteenth century women had less access to education than mena had. There were more illiterate women than men at the time. During the second Industrial Revolution, women were able to work and found a variety of jobs available outside the better paying learned professions.
Nationalism was directly opposed to liberal political values. According to Gardenia, many nationalists did in fact wanted their own particular ethnic group to dominate minority national or ethnic groups within a particular region. But, several nationalists searched for political autonomy for their own ethnic group. It proved to be the single most powerful political ideology of the 19th century.
Nationalism, while undoubtedly a powerful political ideology in the nineteen century, seemed to have neglected the social status of women. While popular sovereignty was usually a prominent principle of nationalism, it reflected the will of the man - females were not allowed suffrage.
As evidenced through the events from the 1848 February Revolution to the 1851 Napoleonic coup, however, the movement of liberalism played a more notable role in the social status of women. In France, for example, the defeat of Louis Phillipe and his July Monarchy led to a significant display of feminism. In an era in which Louis Napoleon was altering the standards of European life, females began to establish political clubs to address their own roles in social reform. Due to these organizations, women's rights - among them the right to vote - were brought to light and demanded. One feminist group, the Vesuvians, utilized radical street demonstrations to advocate domestic equality between sexes, the right of women to serve in the military, and the allowance of similarity in clothing styles. Liberal freedoms also led to the Voix de femmes, or The Women's Voice, a newspaper that allowed Parisian women to voice concerns pertaining to the female's role in society. While feminism in 1848 was ultimately defeated by governmental laws and restrictions, individuals such as Jeanne Deroin and Pauline Roland still attempted to improve the economic situation for women in the working class. Therefore, liberalism was an outlet for the concerns of women and their desires for reform - when the feminist movement collapsed, it was only due to the conservative laws passed to restrict political clubs and close national workshops.
I agree with Gardenia regarding unfair perceptions of females in relation to men. During this time period, men and women occupied different spheres of life. This societal arrangement, initially proposed by Rousseau, locked females in a strictly domestic environment as opposed to the political influence allotted to men. While women were able to find some career opportunities, their jobs still remained socially inferior to those of males.
I partially agree with Nick's assessment of nationalism. While it's true that the principles of nationalism were usually in direct opposition to liberal political values, the two movements were often compatible. For instance, nationalist groups in a certain country could gain liberal support by adopting representative government, civil liberties, or economic freedom. Nationalists in Greece provide another instance in which this relationship was demonstrated - by declaring Athens their capital, they appealed to liberalists' respect for ancient Athenian democracy.
Nationalism in Europe was primarily brought to light during the Napoleonic Era in France. Although it united France, there were many revolts based on Napoleon not being French. The people of France felt that a foreigner should not have the right to rule their country. This led to the growing idea that a country's ruler should be able to share the same culture, language and familiarity to it's country. As Napoleon was aiding France's internal issues, many women organizations were being created. They reevaluated their roles in society and decided to work towards women rights politically, economically, and socially. Equality in marriages, right to own property, and right to vote were some of the rights women felt they were obligated to have.
Liberalism supported popular sovereignty, so it often favored improvements made to the status of women. It was said that liberalism opened the gate to the development of feminism. Many women strove for equality between genders. For example, Mary Wollstonecraft, who was a british philosopher, wrote A Vindication of the Rights of Woman in hopes of expanding the boundaries of liberalism to involve women roles in the political structure of society. Voting rights and political roles were being requested by the women. In France, a feminist group had been created, called the Vesuvians. They consisted of a group of young (around early teens to mid thirties) women who were poorly paid workers. They demanded equality in marriages, female military service, and same attire policies. Though there were many brave women who continued to push for their rights, the government passed laws to restrict the women of having equal rights to men.
I agree with Gardenia that women had less educational opportunities than men. Although they had the chance to attend schools, they often did not further their education as far as men did due to fact that they had to help their mothers with domestic responsibilities. Or if women worked in factories during the industrial revolution, they often were paid much less than men, even if the hours and working conditions were the same.
I also agree with Ariel about feminism being restricted by government laws. As women were not allowed to achieve political roles, or female military service, they worked on improving their working/economic roles. In the industrial world, for women, lower wages were very common. The conditions or occupations could be just the same as men's or worse, but however they were paid less, despite the conditions they encounter in the work force.
I would like to question Kristie's statement on how Nationalism "united" France.
In addition, liberal nationalism was identified by political philosophers who believed in a form of nationalism that was compatible with liberal values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights. It also derives political legitimacy from the active participation of its citizenry (in other words, "popular sovereignty"), from the degree to which it represents the general will.
Now, was this a method of creating a unified society in France as a response to the previous revolutions?
Also, I would like to know the impact of nationalism towards other regions. I understand the fact that it was used for individuals to govern themselves, but was it focused more on the political aspect of the nation? Or the economy?
I would say that liberalism and nationalism were different in a sense that nationalism almost lead up to liberalism. Not directly or anything, but the fact htat nationalism helped women sort of realize what they need and what they need to change. This, however, did not give the women a chance for freedom or standing up for their rights. THis is why I would say that nationalism did not play a very active role in a women's status.
Liberalism on the other hand played a much larger role. Liberalism allowed women to express their individual rights much more than they ever could. They would now start demanding more freedoms and the right to vote as well. Even though it would not be granted to women right away, they still got to break away from the men's control and stand up for their words rather than just listen to what their husbands had to say. Liberalism allowed women to become much more independent.
I completely agree with the fact Ariel stated about liberalism being an outlet for the concerns of women and their desires for reform in the 19th century. This outlet allowed Liberal freedoms for women, which as Ariel said, led to the Voix de femmes, and their assertiveness for womens rights.
I have to say I disagree with Reina when she stated in her blog that nationalism did not play a very active role in a women's status. Her reason was that nationalism “did not give the women a chance for freedom or standing up for their rights.” Although this it is true it led women to establish their roles in society and decide to work towards women rights politically, economically, and socially. None of this would have come about without nationalism, which is why I argue that nationalism did play a very active role in a women’s status.
nationalism was the idea that a certain ethnic group was better then the others nationalism in Europe influenced a lot of Europeans ideas making them think that there race was the dominant race .nationalism also impacted the way women thought they began to think of themselves as powerful women that where able to do anything men can do this new way of thinking brought attention to womens rights and allowed there to be more attention toward there goal of equal rights.nationalism wasn't the only idea that changed how society viewed women liberalism which fought for equal rights for everyone is said to have started the path towards feminism liberalism also allowed women to express there ideas about certain issues more freely which is something they couldn't do before
Nationalism of the time was a great movement that nations strived for maintaining popular sovereignty.
Many of the nationalistic movements were handled by men seeing as how the government contained men only. Women had little negative or positive effects during the time period. The movement was mainly political doing very little to liberate women.
On the other hand liberalism had a much more adverse affect on the women populace. This movement was more so on the social side in which it was more aimed towards individual equality and rights from which the government would protect. Women had risen up during the time period to attempt to stand up for their own rights and equalities. Although they had protested, their rights were denied during the time period and they had accomplished little to none.
I disagree with Gardenia and the idea that nationalism “started” ideas of woman’s rights. They've always wanted equality and rights, but have never been able to do anything about it seeing as mainly men governed at the time. Their goals of equality have existed for ages, but have never been vocalized as much until then.
I agree with Reina about liberalism. This time period was where women really stepped up and pushed for freedom and actually had more of a say. Although at the time not much was given to the females, this spurred into more later on events that would lead to equality.
Nationalism was the belief in which a self-defined people would govern its sanctioned boundaries. Women would not be effected by this because it had no belief in having equality. Nationalism was also influenced by the rule of foreign rulers in foreign countries. Liberalism was the belief in which an individual should have equality. It influenced women to get rights because of the belief of equality for an individual. Even though liberalism led to women accomplishing little it was still better than naitionalism which did naot influence women.
I agree with Josh about women accomplishing little from liberalism because of the protests. Also because since the only two leaders of the organization were arrested and imprisoned for the activities the protest were eradicated in 1852. I disagree with Claudia about nationalism influencing women to receive rights because it was influenced by the rule of aforeign ruler. Also because liberalism was the belief that influenced women because it was for equality for an individual.
Nationalism in Europe, although it greatly affected the country, did not have a major effect on women. The ideals of nationalism called for the importance of a nation-state and the unity of its peoples, with social Darwinism a leading principle. It led to revolts in states and led to even the unification of Germany and Italy, and even the modernization of Russia. Although these ideas were meant to give people a sense of belonging to a country, women were not included so much in truly belonging to the same nation in a sense of equality. However, they could start to use these principles in their fight for equality, such as the fact that they are also citizens of a nationalist country and since they belong as well, they should have equal rights. It was not until places like France began to incorporate more liberal ideas that they began to make real advances toward more equality.
Liberalism, incorporating such principles as legal equality, freedom of the press and assembly, gave feminine activists a new window to create a voice for their freedom. In France, the time between 1848’s revolution and 1851’s Napoleonic coup was a great time for feminist activity due to the freedoms they had because of the collapse of the July Monarchy. They made use of their freedoms by joining the many liberal political groups. Some examples of women’s rights groups include the Vesuvians and those associated with the Voix de Femmes. The Vesuvians were the more radical group of the two, even being the most radical women’s group at the time. They were very adamant about full equality in the household, military servitude, and in dress. Their street demonstrations and overall very radical behavior lost them many followers that were closer to the moderate ideals. The other group used their new freedom of speech created the Voix de Femmes, a newspaper based on the telling of the struggle for women’s rights and the ways to achieve them. The society that was formed because of this was on the closer side to being moderate and conservative. This helped them cooperate with more groups and reach out to more citizens than other groups.
I disagree with Claudia that nationalism was the idea that one race was better than the other. Nationalism is originally a sense of a country’s unity and the superiority complex was only incorporated by some politicians when they sought to fuse social Darwinism with it in attempt to justify their conquering of other countries.
I agree with Reina that liberalism opened the door for women’s rights. Liberal ideals gave women the freedoms they needed at the time to increase their voice in society. Also, it made possible a better way for later groups to form and build on past groups’ advances, eventually leading to more reforms in their favor.
Nationalism sought to turn cultural unity into a self government, so during this time period many revolts such as the July Revolutions in France and the Greek revolution in Greece happened. Nationalism was a great political idea in which it supported unification of nations but it had neglected women and their social and political rights. During this time period women had many social disabilities but by the close of the century some and little improvement could be seen. One example could be seen when women were not allowed to hold property but after the Married Women’s Property Act married women could hold their own property in their own right. With these improvements being seen women began to see hope and began to demand for more equality and rights. The movement of liberalism which was a political theology that saw the individual as a self sufficient being whose freedom and well-being were the sole reason for the existence of society allowed for the rise of feminism. The most advanced feminists groups were seen in Britian and Millicent Fawcett was seen as the one who had led a moderate National Union of Women’s Suffrage Societies they believed that parliament would allow women to vote if they perceived a responsible and respectable matter in their political activity. As a result liberalism can be seen to have made a growing impact on women during this time period.
I agree with Kristie Liang that liberalism favored improvements made to the status of women. It gave women hope to involve in the political structure someday and allowed for voting rights and social rights to be requested by women without social distinctions. Also the rise of many radical feminist groups were seen who allowed for improvements to be seen in marriage, property rights and female military services. One example of a feminist group could be the Vesuvians which was a group that consisted of poor working class women striving for rights
I agree with Gardenia that women were legally inferior and economical dependent to men. Women during this time had neither rights nor a voice in society. Also it was believed throughout society from Rousseau’s influence that men and women lived in different spheres of life. Women were only allowed into the domestic atmosphere whereas men were allowed political and social influence. Overall whether at home or in the work force women were seen as inferior both physically and socially.
In the beginning nationilstic affairs were affiliated stricly with men only. These affairs were associated with a sense of pride which an individual had towards their place of origin. As these strong feelings towards their nation were invoked, women too sought for a role in matters concerning their country. Women's natural rights were also denied as the nations were steered particularly more towards the men. This can be evidenced through their rights to property being denied. They eventually attempted to utilize liberalism as a means to reinstate their roles in their country's social hierarchy. It can be said that although growing nationalism dismissed the roles of women further, it also invigorated the drive towards balancing the rights of women and men.
I concur with Gardenia's extrapolation that women and men were seperated in society. Their roles were completely different and it was obvious that society held men in higher regards than women. Men were given advanced education whereas women only leanred basic knowledge available at the time. It was also true that back then a woman was only worth as much as her man since they unable to garner an independent role in society.
I agree with Ariel that the government at the time did not allow many chances for women to rise in status due to the many restrictions on them. They were unable to achieve any well respected jobs in their country. Most resorted to becoming workers in the industrial field. In opposition to this form of oppresion they focused on striking back through the use of liberalism in feminist groups.
With nationalism's exponential growth, women became more included in society as equals, slowly. As Rousseau said, women are part of their own sphere of life, separate from the men. Especially during the 1848 revolutions, women could take advantage of the opportunity of a new leadership and possibly gain more God-given rights for themselves. However, the revolutions did not succeed, and that opportunity was inevitably lost. As a result of those losses, the strive for women's rights was not a focus of society at that time due to the conservative government. It is not until later in the 20th century, when the conservative government becomes more liberal, that women gain more rights.
Liberalism is a term that refers to 'freedom'. Liberalism is not limited to any group, such as whites, men, political officials, etc. It also refers to women. Liberalism in the 19th century was focused on gaining God-given rights to all male citizens and abolishing slavery. With philosophical values in sync with Rousseau's spheres of life, voice for women rights was nullified and censored. However, efforts to support women still existed and grew. Because of liberalism, the values of rights for every individual increased as society progressed.
As a result, nationalism and liberalism were both incorporated to progressing rights for women. With liberal leaders attempting to apply nationalism to their countries shackled by foreign rulers, men's freedom was the main concern. Women's rights proceeded to flourish receding national movements.
In co-ordinance with Brandon's statement, nationalism attempted to unify a nation for men, not women. The values that women should be included in that unity played a major factor in nationalism.
In contrast to Ryan's perspective, "nationalism dismissed the roles of women further," nationalism set aside the issues of women's rights, not completely revoke them. Nationalism laid a constitution (a base) for women through the use of "a sense of unity."
To answer Nick's question, nationalism in other nations was focused on unifying the nation itself. In the Middle East, religious and territorial disputes kept the people segregated in a violent and undesirable state. In Asia, nationalism was more so the drive to keep people united instead of being the drive to gain unification. Countries were at war with each other for resources and land. China attacked Korea in order to gain more land since China mainly liberated mountainous land, which was unsuitable for farming. With Korea's weak sense of nationalism and with powerful internal and political conflicts, China ultimately gained land. In the Americas, New England was attempting to break away from Britain's iron grip. Through events such as the Boston Tea Party, American citizens gained their individualism that excluded Britain's dictatorial ruling.
Nationalism was the most powerful European political ideology of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Yet it didn't have a major impact on women.
On the other hang liberalism allowed the women of this time period to fight for their rights among it was the right to vote. Among these women one feminist group, the Vesuvians, sought that the advocates of women's rights accepted the prevailing concept of women's unique affective nature and moralizing role, yet it rejected limiting women to based their arguments for women's rights on their domestic duties. Their appeal for the emancipation of women meant freedom for the full public and private exercise of these responsibilities rather than liberation from them. They found that the Voix des femmes was a way for the women to get their word out yet the government refused to grant women voting rights.
I agree with Reina's statement that liberalism allowed women to express their individual rights much more than they ever could. It gave the women the opportunity to go against the status quo and get the word out that they wanted equal rights as men. Even though their actions were rejected by the government they were still recognized by society.
I also agree with Eunice's statement that Nationalism was a great political idea in which it supported unification of nations but it had neglected women and their social and political rights. It focused more on the nations being based on ethnicity, culture, and etc. Yet it came to be that it made the women of this century realize what they wanted and needed to change.
I also believe that Liberalism impacted women more than Nationalism. liberalism pushed equality and individual rights which gave women slightly more chances for opportunities. it made them realize the need for change and influenced them to step up.
In France women known as the "Vesuvians" advocated for women's rights and demanded for domestic equality and the right to serve in the military. Women started to demand reforms for their social conditions. they joined political clubs, and conducted street demonstrations. the liberal freedoms that have become available to them allowed them to talk about and inform people on the concerns of women, in a newspaper called "Voix des femmes" they later started a society that addresses the same issues.but, just like every other time where women demanded equality, their efforts were unsuccessful.
i agree with Eunice that Nationalism supported unification
but it did neglect women's rights. i agree/disagree that nationalism impacted women. nationalism had nothing to do with equality,as Clara said it focused on culture, and ethnicity, and as Ariel mentioned it reflected more on the will of man, but in some way it may have impacted women but not as much as liberalism.
i agree with Gardenia that women were given the same education as men. Although women were given an education to some degree, for there were a high demand for teachers, since education was important during this time.
I believe that both nationalism and liberlism somewhat both negected women. Liberals tried to make things equal to people they thought were contributing to society. With that said they only gave out sufferage to men. Women would eventually gain some rights to be more open in society. Nationalism on the other hand seemed to cut women from the picture all together in my opinion. Plus, if nationalism did spark anything for women, chances are that it was shut down quickly through the actions of the Congress of Vienna.
I agree with Clara. Nationalism had some very strong followers and a heavy influence throughout Europe. Yet, despite all of this they did have many sucesses at all. I also agree with Josh with Nationalism. Very little progress was ever seen.
Nationalistic movements were sought out by men for men, therefore in a working class society, position and influence – none of which women greatly had at the time – was a standard in which to be heard. During the time of growing nationalism, men controlled movements of their country, to a point in which women had little say in politics, in which females began to establish political unions to lecture to their own position in social modification. To these associations, women's rights were brought to the open in working class society. In which nationalism did very little to liberate women. Throughout the world, much of the liberation of former European colonies and creation of new states branched from the active role women took in the struggle for independence. Though governmental laws and restrictions eventually defeated feminism in 1848, folks such as Pauline Roland still challenged to advance the economic situation for working class women.
I agree with Ariel - how liberalism was an outlet for the concerns of women and their desires for reform - because of the active participation shown by these women in the movement of liberation. Individuals like Pauline Roland began writing for early feminist papers and assembled a series of significant histories of France, England, and Scotland. Through liberation she expressed her philosophy of social harmony benefiting the role of family in which establishing a stereotyped complementarily of man and woman, convinced that, in the contemporary French context, “marriage could only undermine women's independence.”
I also agree with Reina where as liberalism played a much larger role for women. The allowance of liberalism did give them more rights and freedom. With less control from men of nationalistic mind, they were allowed to perform more so in politics and that of philosophy and education of the human. As example again with Pauline Roland, through liberalism, she was able to express her belief in the socially pleasant penalties of “ending discrimination between the sexes, races and nations, of finding dignity in labor, and of placing personal relations between men and women on a new basis.”
I agree with Bryan's statement about how liberalism referred to freedom and how it wasn't limited to any specific group of people which is why it also referred to women. I liked the fact that he mentioned that during that time they did focus on the natural rights of men, however, there were still women out there that did strive to get women the rights that they felt they deserved.
I also agree with Mike's statement on the fact that both liberalism and nationalism neglected women, to an extent. He does bring up a good argument with the idea brought forth that they only gave out sufferage to men. A lot of women's voices were censored because they didn't feel as though it was as important to grant rights to them as it was for the men.
Nationalism was the single most powerful ideology in europe. nationalism focused on the unity of a country with beliefs and ideals of an ethnic group respectively. Nationalism allowed male suffrage while women were denied of rights. Women were still inferior to men. Liberalism was the belief of equality among all, including women. Women were able to gain euality as men had. during the 2nd revolution more jobs were available for women and they gain more wages than before.
I agree with Ryan on nationalism being strictly affiliated with men. Women sought for their rights and followed their social status. But in the end they still were denied.
I agree with Ariel about the development of feminist organizations and ideals. Women created clubs and organizations to speak out in social reforms. through use of these clubs women were able to gain their rights and equality and also, the right to vote.
While nationalism had a negligible role on the rights of women, it did play a role in spreading liberalism throughout Europe. Even liberal ideals did not change truelly impact the role of women. True it did argue manhood suffrage but that did not include women. Nor did it bring about any rigorous reforms to the separate spheres of life in which the sexes found themselves. Although during the1848 revolts groups such as the Voix de Femmes found an outlet for their voice the advance, was but a fleeting glimpse at what would be crushed by a pro-conservitive political scheme. Liberalism and nationalism at their roots were political agendas brought about by men, for society. Politics as well as society were dominated by the male sex and though individual rights were highlights on both these isms female rights throughout history have been pushed aside as a subsidiary to those of the male.
I question Andrews post about nationalism being the single most powerful ideology in Europe. How could this be true when after so much conflict those that remained in power were the old regime monarchies appointed by Austria? And even in modern politics the United States is a perfect example of the complete opposite of nationalism and it has flourished for what England recognizes as some 222 years. Much longer than any nationalist attempts of revolution.
Nor do I comprehend how it's associated with manhood suffrage. I do acknowledge the affiliation of nationalist leaders support of liberalistic views, to rally support, which did advocate manhood suffrage.
Liberalism is the belief in equality before the law and that liberals are concerned about political stability and the sanctity of property. The influence of Liberalism on women was that women began to demand more rights between the years of 1848 and 1851 where major feminist activities occurred; which proved the effects of liberalism. Women joined a variety of political clubs that emphasized women rights in society. One of the most radical group of women were the Vesuvians and they demanded rights in domestic household equality between men and women, right to serve in the military, and similarity in dress for both sexes. Through the Voix des femmes, or The Women's Voice, women issues were able to be addressed in a daily newspaper for everyone to read. These activities advocated women rights enabling women with the courage to seek more rights.
Nationalism growing impact on woman had little effect due to the fact that nationalism did not concern woman because at that time political affairs disregarded them.
I agree with Ariel's statement on how the feminist movement was only eradicated due to the conservative laws that were passed to close national workshops and political clubs. The closing of national workshops affected both women and men workers. Also due to these repressive action, women were forbidden to participate in political clubs either by themselves or with men.
I agree with Andrew on how women were still inferior to men when it came to concern of nationalism. Even though women were given certain rights, the government showed no pity towards their causes. In nationalism people are united by a common language, custom and history, leading to what they believed to be a stronger government. However its ideals of political and ethnic boundaries, it does not apply to women.
Liberalism's positive impact on women brought about new rights for them. Feminist activity spurred and women seized the opportunity of the collapse of the July Monarchy to make reforms on the status of women. Specifically,a group of women activists known as the Vesuvians made many reforms such as: full domestic household equality,right of women to serve in the military, and similarity in dress between men and women. They even went ahead in street demonstrations. Soon, Parisian women organized the Voix des femmes, a daily newspaper addressing women's concerns on their rights. This suddenly turned into a conservative group that urged marriage and emphasized the women's role in society. Women also fought for better education, economic security , civil rights, property rights, and the right to work and vote. Although women fought hard for their rights, once again the government still didn't issue the law for their rights.
The impact of nationalism on women didn't live up to its potential. In 1848, French feminists were defeated and their efforts were no use. During elections, their willingness to vote was denied. Also, workshops were closed to women, political clubs hosted by women were closed, restricting their participation. At this point, the organization sought to improve the situation for women. Two women, Jeanne Deroin and Pauline Roland, were arrested for there attempts and soon the women's rights movement was failed.
I agree with Kristie when she mentions Mary Wollstonecraft's, "A Vindication of the Rights of Woman", where the involvement of women in political issues were expressed. Also, the fact that women strived for voting rights. In regards to nationalism, I agree when she says women were obligated to have rights that they deserved like equality in marriage, rights in property, etc.
I agree with Josh's statement about liberalism and nationalism not having a large amount of positive or negative effects. Although women did make reforms, it was still a struggle to actually enforce them. Like any other time in the history of Europe, women's rights were still denied.
Although nationalism had a very important role and affect on the country it didnt really influence women. Nationalism was mainly the belief in having one nation and Making unity with each other. Since men had most of the power in Europe in the 19th century women didn't really have a say in anything. Liberalism was the belief that their should be human equality and equal rights for everyone. Women in Europe got the chances of freedom and equal rights through liberalism. Many of the beliefs of nationalism and liberalism are related but the affects for women from both of them are very different. Liberalism gives women more rights while nationalism doesn't really affect women at all.
I agree with Eunice that nationalism turned cultured unity into a self government. Nationalism was basically the belief that they should be governed by themselves and not anyone else. They did this because they didn't want any outside influences to change how they are governed.
I dissagree with gardenia in the thought that nationalism brought the ideas of freedom to women in Europe. Women have always wanted to have equal rights but they just didn't think they could do anything about it. Liberalism is what got women to start having equal rights. Nationalism didn't have anything to do with womens rights.
Nationalism led to the revolutions of 1848 in France, granting women an opportunity to join in the call for change. Though there was notable feminist activity, the movement was extinguished by 1852. The Vesuvians' calls for radical change alienated moderate women, and their newspaper Voix de Femmes gathered considerable political support but failed to enact any actual reforms for womens' rights. Post-revolution elections ignored them wholly, and conservative powers quickly repressed feminist political groups. The leaders of the Vesuvians were arrested and exiled, resulting in the movement's ultimate end.
Although nationalism sparked newfound passion and opportunity for the feminist movement, it failed to achieve any permanent change.
Liberalism proved to be more effective in elevating the status of women. The ideology emphasized the individual's potential as the key to freedom and equality, inspiring many prominent women to success. Florence Nightingale's belief that women possessed all the potential of men led to her national celebrity as a scientific and administrative success during the Crimean War. Women such as Harriet Martineau, Frances Power Cobbe, and Margaret Fuller achieved fame for their journalistic accomplishments and gained leverage for the importance of women's education.
Liberalism proved to be more successful in driving the success of many prominent female figures due to its emphasis on individual freedom as opposed to the politically-motivated ideals of nationalism.
I agree with Reina's statement that "nationalism did not play a very active role in a woman's status." Although it did spark numerous uprisings such as in Germany and Italy, it only addressed the freedom for a nation as a whole and not repressed social groups such as women.
I disagree with Bryan's statement that "with nationalism's exponential growth, women became more included in society as equals, slowly." For one thing, nationalism did not directly influence exponential growth but rather renewal of progress in political, social, and economic arenas. Women also rather became more excluded. This is evidenced by conservative powers in France repressing feminist groups such as the Vesuvians and its gross lack of sympathy for women's rights during new elections after the Revolution of 1848.
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