http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/frey.protestant.ethic (Max Weber's Thesis on Protestant Ethics)
http://www.eldrbarry.net/heidel/heidel.htm (Reformation Links)
Sunday, September 27, 2009
Blog #2 Unit 2 Reformation
"The Protestant Reformation” was primarily an economic event.”Defend or refute this statement by describing and determining the relative importance of the economic, political, and religious causes of the Protestant Reformation. After answering the question completely, please respond to two of your classmates once they have posted. People/Ideas to think about: Erasmus, Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, The Peasant's revolt s, Henry VIII, Churches power over land and/or taxes, etc. Be sure to look into this question as much as possible and understand that there is no right or wrong answer so it does not matter which way you argue on the issue as long as you support it with evidence. When writing your responses please refer (bold or underline) to the screenname of the student that you are responding too. Do not write elementary responses to your classmates. (Video is below you only have to watch about the first 14-15 minutes)
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i refute the statement that the reformaation was a economic event but a religious event. It was a conflict between the protestants and the catholic church
I oppose the statement that the Protestant Reformation was an economical event. The Protestant Reformation was a Christian reform movement that aimed initially at reforming the beliefs and practices of the Roman Catholic Church. This movement was said to have begun as a result of Martin Luther's 95-theses, therefore I believe it was a major religious, but not economical event that occurred during the time of the Reformation.
I don't agree with the statement that said the Protestant Reformation was an economic event. If the Reformation was an economic event, then that would mean the main causes of the event would primarily be economic, which is false. The main cause of the Reformation was the increased corruption in the Church such as the abuse of power, nepotism, absenteeism, etc. As a result, it sparked a desperate need of change in the Church which was, the Reformation. So, the Protestant Reformation was more of a religious event than an economic one.
I am against the statement that the Protestant reformation was an economic event. I believe it was more of a religious event. For example, Martin Luther wanted to readjust and reform the church. He took actions in what he believed in. He believed that the pope had too much power and interfered with the people's relationship with God. He questioned the pope and church and wrote 95 criticisms of how he thought selling indulgences were wrong. He protested against the church and influenced many people to realize the pope had too much authority and that the church were too involved in people's lives. He also wanted to restore old practices and teachings of the church. The corrupion of the catholic church caused a reformation, therefore, i believe that this was a religious event.
I disagree with the statement that said the Protestant Reformation was an economic event. I believe it was more of a religious event than an economic event. The causes of the Reformation were because of the simony, pluralism, absenteeism, sale of indulgences, nepotism and many other things that the church was doing. Luther believed that was wrong. He wanted to bring back the teachings of the Catholic church. Yes, the reformation did small changes economically and politically, but it was more of a religious change. So I disagree. I believe the Protestant Reformation was more of a religious event.
I refute this statement because the reformation had a huge effect socialy on all of europe. It created a world where people weren 't afraid to disagree with the chruch thanks to martin luther. It also educated people to realize the type of leaders they have been following which lead to peasant revolts. The reformation was a step towards freedom of speech in europe.
I refute the statement that the Protestant Reformation was a mere economic event.
Sure the reformation effected the economy, no doubt about it, but the Reformation's intention was not of involving nor altering the economy, but reforming the church. The name says it all, plain and simple-REFORMATION. The sole purpose of this time period was to reform the the corruption in the catholic church and mal practices that were decptfully taking place. The event of the Protestant Reformation was a religious event more so than a economic event. I support that the economy was effected by the PR; this lies in the sole purpose for the PR. It was; to alter mal practice in the Catholic church, as mentioned above, this includes the sale of indulgences, and that equals money. I firmly beleive the foundation of the church had far astrayed from just religion and into a mere fade of burning and greedy desire for money. Money is what circulates the ecomomy-anywhere. Money is power, and how can one say the the popes and priests of this time didn't want power? They did. So much so to deceive their followers by scaring them to beleive if they did not purchase these "sin purifying" deeds they would be doomed to hell. Martin Luther had all inentions of reforming the Catholic church, it was not in his best nature to take the stance he did at times becuase he more so risked his life in the public eye. But, bravely, he took a stand against all unjust acts of the popes and priests of the Catholic church. Stating all of the church's trickery and mal practice, Martin Luther posted his 95 Thesis on church doors. As you can see, Luther's intentions were to only reform the church, no where in his 95 Thesis did he mention economic reforms, just religion. In my opinion, I have reason to beleive and defend both sides; the PR was a religious and economic event, however the PR was inevitably more so a religous movement. Some of the underlying basis surrounded the desire for money and power, which ciculates an ecomomy but the reason for the PR was for protestants, as individuals, to find the truth in the bible and the word of God, independently, because the popes and priests were not to be the only ones trusted. The movement of the PR was religously supported to reform the Catholic church.
I disagree with the statement that the Protestant Reformation was an economical event. It was more of a religious event because of how it caused the catholic church so many disputed with many people that spoke out against them. Take for example Johaness Hus, he spoke out against the church and he was burned at the stake, and a monk who was executed. Although Martin Luther was the only man that was able to speak out against the church and still live. The church did not want the people to leave but many have lost faith in the pope. Epecially after the Great Schism many were confused and began to think that they lost the ways of jesus crist.
I disagree with the statement that the refromation was an ecomomic event. The Protestant Reformation was a religious event. This movement specifically aimed at changing the beliefs of the cathloic church. The initial belief was that Martin Luther's 95-theses started the movement because he was the only one who spoke out agianst the church that was not killed .Therefore I disagree, the Protestant Refromation was a religious movement.
I most defenitely agree with what amandazac'12 said. I refute the statement that the reformation was an economic based event. In my own, honest, opinion, the protestant reformation for me was religiously based. The whole reason this started was mostly because of religious debates on the sale of indulgences and the disagreement on the church having too much power. Martin Luther started this uproar by presenting his 95 theses which were focused around the wrong doing of the sale of indulgences. After that, many others such as John Calvin and Zwingli tried to go forth and be the change. Basically, from that point on, it revolved around religion, and trying to reform and make changes to the Catholic church.
i refute the statement that the protestant reformaation was a economic event, but rather a religious event. Alough economy did play a major part in the Protestant Reformation, i dont think its intensions were to change the it. Even though money and power was huge at this time, the Catholic Church was ment to reform religiously. The main purpose of this time period was to reform corruption within the Catholic Church.
I defend the statement that the Protestant Reformation was primarily an economic event. Even though the Protestant Reformation was seen as a religious movement, there were many economic effects. As the Reformation begins, artists, princes, peasants, and some Protestants were economically benefiting from the movement.
Artists were standing on the sideline capturing every event that comes up during the Reformation and prospering economically off of their paintings.
When the princes, such as prince of Heese, heard about the economic opportunity, they encourage the movement to benefit their lands. The “German Protestant lands formed a powerful defense alliance” from encouraging more Catholics to break away from the church and entering their land.
Even though the peasants used the church to speak out, their main purpose was to make a change in their economic status. They revolted in hoping that they would be free from serfdom and limit their tax payment. The peasants did not mention anything about the wrong doing of the church, but only the wrong doing of society have done to them economically.
One of the Protestant who used the Reformation as an economic advantage was John Calvin. He convinced his followers that the ones who have a steady economic class means there were gifted from God. With this mindset, many Catholics would want to convert to a Calvinism hoping that if they do, they would have a better economic status.
In conclusion, almost each social class benefited from the Reformation. They all used the topic of religion to profit themselves with more wealth and economic value in their society.
I disagree with soccerplayer . It was an economically issue since it was over power, absenteeism, and nepotism. All of those things relate to the control is wealth and power a social class can consume. This cause an uproar of unjustification among the lower class citizens. It was one of the leading cause of the Peasant Revolt. The peasants tried to use corruption to gain some economically power and acknowledgement from the Church.
I disagree with nartanna. Yes there were economical aspects, but the main focus was on religion. Martin Luther was trying to show that there were problems in the church, he was not trying to make money. His 95-theses were about the problems with the church, some of them being economic, but primarily he was upset with the religious problems in the Catholic Church. In order to counter that, the Catholics instituted more strict rules about celibacy of clergy, and the sale of indulgences. This was all because of religion, not because of money or power.
I disagree with nartanna. Yes there were economical aspects, but the main focus was on religion. Martin Luther was trying to show that there were problems in the church, he was not trying to make money. His 95-theses were about the problems with the church, some of them being economic, but primarily he was upset with the religious problems in the Catholic Church. In order to counter that, the Catholics instituted more strict rules about celibacy of clergy, and the sale of indulgences. This was all because of religion, not because of money or power.
In addition to the blog i posted earlier in the week, i disagree with nartanna. The economic portion of the reformation was very small, and didnt have as nearly as big as an affect as the religious events in the reformation.
I agree with briaaana and disagree that the Protestan reformation was an economic event.In my opinion the causes of the reformation being corruption of the Catholic church links together the whole reformation to religion. Than there was Martin Luther who criticized the sale of indulgences within in the church in his 95 thesis. Basically he wanted to reform the church back to its original stance. Many people also agreed upon this. Even though Zwingli did not agree with Martin Luther on the eucharist he still opposed what the church was doing. Although the reformation was somewhat of an economic event i think everything was mostly centered around religion and there's more context that proves that. Therefore, i disagree the Protestant reformation was an economic event.
I believe the Reformation was a religious and economic event.
The Protestant Reformation was a Christian reformed movement. Martin Luther's whole purpose was to speak out against the Church, and spread his teachings throughout.
But, some may have benefited from the doubt. I agree with nartanna, and believe some people took advantage of the Reformation to make profits. For example, the printing guild became popular, making it a simple task to write. Easily, individuals can write, sell books, and make more than what they gambled for. Also, because of the religious acts happening everywhere, artists can capture ideas, events, and create paintings to sell.
With the Martin Luther's translation of the Bible into German, his teachings can be spread and distributed, which helps improve the religious movement.
The Religious Wars also contribute to this debate. People were fighting over religion itself, and who's beliefs were morally correct and incorrect.
I do agree Blaise Inman, but i think the Reformation can go both ways, religiously or economically.
I disagree with nartanna, I understand that the pope, and the princes have economic aspects of the protestant reformation. But it was most definitely a religious movement, because Martin Luther was a priest in the Catholic church, and it was a very big conflict between the Catholic religion and the protestant. It had a lot to do with the major religious, and how three popes fought for the place as the main pope. Martin Luther took action in what he believed in, even though he was banned from all churches, he did what he needed to do. Lutherism is a religion base, and Calvinism is a protestant base. They're were more of a Corruption in the Catholic church, then an economical status in the protestant reformation, so I disagree that the protestant reformation was a economic event.
I disagree with the statement that the Protestant reformation was solidly an economical situation but a political & religious. The reformation began when catholic authority used sale of indulgences to get a hold of money, Martin Luther opposed this idea by stating his 95 thesis. This even caused controversy and others began to see the corruption in the church. People such as Ulrich Zwingli & Calvin began to practice their own ideas. The reformation was more then just a religious movement but a political as well. As protestantism spread in Europe, the Peace of Augsburg was establish in the Holy Roman Empire but not only was this establish in HRE but in England the overseer of the country had the power to select the religion in his region. In one case Catherine de Medici orders for all the Huguenots in France to be killed to re-spread Catholicism.
I disagree with nartanna that the Protestant Reformation was based on economical event. Wasn't this period of time used to reform the catholic church? Many Europeans revolted against the catholic church. Money wasn't a big character in the reformation because people broke away from the catholic church they realize the corruption of the church.
In addition to what Blaise Inman said, Martin Luther's 95 Theses was his way of expressing the wrong doing of the church. One the main topic was the "sales" of indulgences. Even in his "Ninety-Five Theses", he states "It is certainly possible that when the money chinks in the bottom of the chest avarice and greed increase". Throughout his theses, money may not be in the main topic, but just that one these influenced future economic revolt such as the Peasant Revolt, who believed to be doing what "Luther" wanted. Even if Luther was not for it, he was definitely one of the leading cause for the chaos relating economically issues that the peasants believed their deserved.
To joannaisOG , the economic issue during the reformation was not small! It was growing as the Reformation continued. All of the the social class played a share in the Reformation knowing that they could benefit either from wealth to economic power over lands and a religion group. Especially after the Pease of Augsburg, Kings chose a religion that would either nourish or break their region politically and economically depending on the movement of the people in their territory.
I partly agree with "nartanna".I think she made very valid points supporting her argument, ehich I agree with, however i don't think she was dead on by saying the Protestant Reformation was only an economic event, religion palying on the side. I think it was opposite, a religious event with great effects on the economony and the economy playing a solid role.
I completely agree with "kendallk2012"'s statement saying something similar to the reformation could go both ways, as a religious event or an economic event.
I do beleive that the reformation had religious reform intentions and that was its purpose for starting, after many years leading up to the reformation. There is far more evidence to support that theory rather than the reformation starting to reform or change economic structure. But, they both effected that time like kendall supported, therefore I agree.
While the Reformation was not just a economic event, there were many economic factors affected. For instance, because the selling of indulgences were protested, the church could have been affected in some way. They would have needed to find a different way to raise revenue or just have less money to build their churches and etc. Another way the reformation could have affected the economy is the fact that merchants would have more business because they were in demand for their information. Selling of books was also very profitable because the literacy rate was growing and the common people wanted to be more informed of affairs through Europe. Another result of the Reformation were the Religious Wars waged by monarchs. Waging war costs money and the monarchs would have had to raised taxes or find some way to find money for their wars. Even though the Reformation was mainly religious in its causes, there were many economic aftermaths.
I agree with nartanna in the fact that artists during this time period were becoming prosperous during a time period in which the Catholic Church needed a way to visually glorify the Catholic church. Because of this, the Church would have spent money to commission these works and and artists would have a higher social and economic status than their predecessors.
I disagree with amandzac'12's statement of "The name says it all, plain and simple-REFORMATION." The name does say it all, in that fact that it's a reform. A reform can apply to anything, as long as there are people trying to change some sort of issue. The reformation was about trying to reform political power and how the people should perceive the power of the monarchy. Because of this, I also think that the Reformation existed to reform things economically, Sure, it might not have started out that way, but the effects were that many economic ideals would have changed as an indirect result of the Reformation. Therefore, reform in this case does not just refer to religion, but also political, economical, and social issues as well.
I like the fire that has hit our blog, but I want to remind you that when you respond to others blogs be sure to specifically point out what you agree or disagree with and explain why you do. Also be sure to support your responses with concrete evidence. If you don't follow all of the directions you will not receive full credit.....Good Luck there are many people who have not blogged yet and I have a funny feeling they are not going to..Thats too bad...
I refute the statement that the Protestant Reformation was an economic event. The protestant reformation was mostly a religious event that was initially started because of all the corruption in the catholic church having to do with unqualified priests and the sale of indulgences. Martin Luther was one person who opposed this corruption by translating the bible into German so that the public could see the truth for themselves instead of listening to the lies the church priests could have been telling them. I believe that one of the only things that had to do with the economy in the Protestant Reformation was the sale of indulgences. Otherwise, the reformation was focused solely on religous reform.
I disagree with nartanna on the statement of people converting to Calvinism for the money. Although John Calvin advertised in a way that the wealthy were gifted by the gods, I think you are forgetting the true reason why they did convert. Priests in the Catholic church were so unqualified that they would say anything to make a quick buck or have a sort of false leadership amongst the general public. I think the reason why they converted was not to become rich, but to become more religiously educated. At the time period the Protestant reform occurred, you have to remember that a lot of things came down to what religion you chose instead of money. A great example of this is the French Civil War. The Guise were fighting the Bourbon over religion, not money. Sure money had parts to do with the war. But in reality, money was mostly accounted for behind the scenes rather than a reason to reform the Catholic Church.
"The protestant reformation was primarily an economic event." This statement i refute. The protestant reformation was mainly a religious event more than anything. Yes, there was economic happenings but the economic events occuring were due to the religious proceedings. Such as the lost of followers in the Catholic Relgion and the uprising of new religions, Lutherism, Calvinism, and Angelican. The first proof of that the protestant reformation was more religious than economic is that Luther posted the 95 theses challenged the church that the pope was not the direct line to god and challenged the sale of indulgences were wrong, making him break from Catholicism and following that Lutherism was created. There were many Luther followers in areas of Germany, Norway, and Sweden. Following in Luther's foot steps was Calvin. Calvin started another religion, Calvinism, in which their main focus was predestination. Calvinism became popular in areas of Scotland and small areas of France. The rise of these new religions purpose was to fix, in what was in their opinion, was wrong with the Catholic Church. Or in other words to REFORM it. With the Catholic religion losing followers it also had its own reformation. The reformation was basically fixing all the arguements that were pinned against them by Luther, and Calvin. Such as the Sale of Indulgences, the unqualified priest, etc. These were the highlights of the protestant reformation not the economic status.
nartanna : i disagree with her blog. Because the statement said "The Protestant Reformation” was primarily an economic event.” Your examples were true, but the reformation wasn't primarily economic. The reformation's focus was on religion. Yes there were economic actions, but they were in the background during the time period of the reformation.
aliciamendoza : i agree with her blog entry. that the main purpose of this time period was to reform the catholic church. although some thought a way to reform was to create a religion all on its own.
I do not agree that the Protestant Reformation was primarily an economic event. The main goal of the Protestant Reformation was to break away from the Roman Catholic Church. The 95 Theses by Martin Luther was the first to criticize the church because of their abuses of power such as sale of indulgences. The wealthy should not just be able to buy salvation for themselves and loved ones but they should earn it with faith and good deeds.
I do agree with nartanna to a certain extent. Although the Reformation was primarily about breaking free, there were some economical aspects such as Calvinism. John Calvin and his followers believed in the work ethic. Being financially stable was a sign that the people were blessed by God. This motivated the Calvinists to work harder and save their money.
I strongly disagree with the fact that the Protestant Reformation was primarily an economic event. Although it is true that the reformation did have an effect on the economy, it primary focus was not the economy but rather to reform the church and fix the corruption with in it. The intentions during this time period concerned with religious issues and the churches affairs.
For example Martin Luther wanted to improve the church and restore the old teachings. He wanted to fix the corruptions in the church like simony, the sale of indulgences and absenteeism. His 95 theses criticized the selling of indulgences which shows how a way he wanted the church to change.
If the reformation was about the economy then there would have been more economical events taking place. Several new religions (Anabaptists, Calvinism, Lutherism, ect) were established which would not have occurred if the reformation was about the economy. These new religions were created because they wanted to reform the Catholic Church.
Therefore the Protestant Reformation was primarily a religious event, not and economic event.
I disagree with Nartanna’s blog. The protestant reformation was overall a religious event not an economic event. Of course some economical events took place and the evidence she stated was true but the focus was to reform the church not to make changes to the economy.
I do agree with Jason Lim’s blog. What he said about the reformation initially starting because of the corruption in the Catholic Church was correct. Also what he said about Luther translating the bible to the vernacular so that the public could see the lies of the priests. Before the priests would give their own interpretation of the bible, but now the public was able to draw their own conclusions and have their own views which was partially what the reformation was about.
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I agree with Nartanna and all those who believe that the Reformation is primarily a period of economic events. One major event was the Sale of Indulgences. Indulgences "was a remission of the temporal penalty imposed on the penitents by priests as a work of satisfaction for their confessed mortal sins." This means that the indulgence could be paid through "work of satisfaction." Now this "work of satisfaction" could be anything. It could range from public services to food/clothing/raw material. However,the Pope has chosen money as its "work of satisfaction." Now why did he chose this? It is because the church needs some sort of way to fund its own campaign of religion. If there is no funding, there is no way to spread their religion.
Another issue was the 95-Theses. These 95 sayings attacked the sale of indulgences. Martin Luther was the one who posted these up. He says that the indulgences "went far beyond the traditional practice and seemed to make salvation something that could be bought and sold."
Now the 95-Thesis makes some very strong claims about the sale of indulgences. However, like I have stated above. The sale of indulgences can be bought through "work of satisfaction." The pope has chosen money, and that's what he'll accept. The church needs a way to keep the people in believing the church, and the more believers the church had, the more money it would make from the sale of indulgences. I'm not saying that I agree with the sale of indulgences, I'm just saying that the Indulgences was a way to keep the people happy and make money for the Church.
I refute the statement that the Protestant Reformation was an economic event. Although economy did play a large role in the Protestant Reformation, I believe that the main purpose was religion. The Protestant Reformation's main purpose was to seperate from the Catholic church because of its false teachings and corruption.In Martin Luther's 95 theses, he criticized the church and its problems, some being economic such as the sale of indulgences, but mainly he was stating his thoughts about the religious problems in the Catholic church.This caused controversy between Luther and the Catholic church, but because of this many began to see the problems of the church. Others such as Calvin and Zwingli then began to practice their ideas. From their practices became new religions such as Lutherism, Calvinism, and Anabaptists. I disagree with nartanna. The Protestant Reformation was mainly a religious event rather than an economic one. Her evidence she stated that many benefited economically from the movement such as artists, princes, peasants, and others is true, but religion played a bigger role than economy. I agree with tiffany.t's statement that the movement's focus was to reform the church, not to make changes to the economy.
Some folks still have not posted and its about 9:15 pm right now. We will see if they get it done or will they make up some sad excuse of why they could not blog. You will gain success through your investment not your laziness...
I disagree with the statement that the reformation was a economic event I feel like it was more of a religous one.The goal of the reformation was to change the church .men such as Luther and Calvin didn't attend to form religous groups but it naturally turned into one.Men like luther wrote articles like the 95 thesis which he questioned the pope and the selling of indulgences.I feel that articles like these eventually made the catholic church realize they were doing something wrong and make changes that would effect the world forever.
I agree with amandazac'12 on partly agreeing with "nartanna." I think that religion was the main role in the reformation while economics was just on the side. Even though money seemed to tie into things like Luther's ninety-five theses it wasen't his main goal and he overall was focused on religion.
I also agree with tiffany.t when she mentioned about new religions forming. Many people began to see the corruption in the church and began to form their own ideas of what they believed in. Like the quote," Justification by faith alone" in which Luther believed that righteousness of God came from people who believed and trusted God became a foundation of what Luther believed in for the church religiously rather than just economically what they were doing.
I disagree with nartanna that the reformation was a economical event.yes people made money off of it because it's human nature to make money and when they see a oppurtunity they are going to go for it.The main purpose was to push the church and make them realize that the way the church was running was wrong.I feel way more religious issues were stressed like indulgences,marriage of the cleregy,pope is the only one that can have a relationship with God etc.and eventhough indulgences are tied in with the econonmy it wasn't listed because luther wanted to make more money but because giving money to the church doesn't help anybody but the pope.Buying indulgences won't help get you into heaven as luther says but giving money to peasents on the street would give you a better chance.
I agree with john Lim that the reformation started because of coruption in the catholic church.I agree with his statement that luther didn't agree with this corruption so he translated the bible into the vernacular.Luther didn't translate the bible into the vernacular because he thought he was going to make money but because he was tired and felt that everybody needed to know the truth
I refute that statement saying the The Protestant Reformation was an economic event. This reformation for focus on the people who opposed the Catholic Church. They believed the Church was corrupt and chose not to follow it. Martin Luther's 95 Theses protested against the sells of indulgences. He believed that this practice made salvation look like it could be sold.
I agree with SCOOTERPLAYER when he/she says the statement was false because nepotism and absenteeism clearly show that the Catholic Church no longer thought about the well-being of their follwers
I agree with ADAM CARDON when he says that the reformation was also a social event. Martin Luther did help show people that they didnt have to follow the Church anymore.
I oppose that the protestent reformation was an economic event. For the Protestant Reformation was mainly a religous movement that protestants looked forward to start their religons with reformed Catholic church beliefes and also practices. The protestant reform was not a economic event aswell for the protestants did not want a gain in money but they wanted their own beliefes to follow. Many people believe that the start of the protestant reform was by many influences by humanists such as martin luther and erasmus for martin luther and others had courage to stand up and show the catholic church that sales of indulgences was extremely wrong. Lastly the protestant reform was not an economic event for many people stated their own reformed catolic church beliefs because the bible had been translated into many different languages so they can interpret their own understandings of the gospel.
First response: I disagree with nartanna for she believes that the whole protestant reform was mainly an economic event based that the protestants wanted only power. Well that is her opinion but i believe otherwise for the protestants did not do this reform over ruling power but for having their own reformed beliefs that they can follow and worship by what they agree is interpreted from the translated bible or they wanted their own rules to follow and not follow some of the catholic rules that they disagree on.
Second Response: I agree with RICO;p2012 for she states primarily what i believe on what the protestant reform was and that is a religous movement that was aimed at reformed practices and beliefes of the catholic church.
i refute the idea that the Protestant Reformation was an economic event. It evolved more around religion. For instance, the church was in great turmoil. Thus, Christianity got broken up. For example Calvinism started along with Lutherism. There really wasnt any economic issues. There were more religious and political issues.
I disagree with nartanna in that the Reformation was not an economic event. Although there might've been some economic issues here and there, it wasn't mainly economic. The major figures of the Reformation, Luther, Zwingli, and Calvin didn't benefit economically, but religiously through their reform ideas, which resulted in the vast number of followers. There were more strides made in religion during the Reformation than there were in economics.
I also agree with what Roosevelt said in that the Protestants did not want a gain in money but wanted reform in the Church, which led them to follow their own beliefs. The major events, issues, etc. of the Reformation such as Luther's 95 Theses, excommunication of Luther, Act of Supremacy, etc. all had something to do with religion. Meanwhile, money didn't play a part in any of the major events of the Protestant Reformation. Therefore, I believe the Reformation was mainly a religious event.
I believe that the protestant reformation was a religious movement not an economic. It was leaned more towards catholic practices to be put into practice, which was a very important part for Martin Luther's 95 theses. This reformation was caused by the corruption of the Catholic church which supports the statement that the protestant reformation wasn't an economic movement.
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Although I definately agree with Amanda Zac's statement of refuting that the Reformation was an economical event due to this time period being made up of many religious movements, i also agree with nartanna's statement defending that the Reformation was an economical movement. She is correct of how the Reformation enabled Princes, atrists and peasants to really economically benefit from this time. She appoints how the peasasnts main reason to speak out to the church was for a change in their social status and how artists used their paintings and sculptures to capture and prosper the economy of the Reformation. These things really do imply that the Reformation was not only a time of religious movements, but also of econmoic movements.
-Alyssa Rico
yet, i do disagree with "soccer player"....the reformation was also an economic event not just a religious event. The Catholic Church had simony and sale of indulgences as a source of income, to support the church financially. Since Martin Luther heald acusations against the Catholic Church, especially in sales of indulgences, it decreased the folowers and congregation of the catholic churches. In the folowing also decreased the income of the catholic church.
yes! ! ! lol.... i do agree with "RICO;p2012" the reformation was also a economic event... many princes and patrons bought a great amound of baroque art during that time. Also what supported the fact that the reformation was an economic event was the religion Calvinism... John Calvin's (founder of the religion Calvinism) teachings taught people to be hard workers in their jobs and that it is strictly important to recieve a great amount of income and creat profits from your hard labor. This lead to capitalism which the relegion Calvinism created a great economical rise.
I believe that the Reformation effected many parts of society and it's workings, both religiously and economic. Any kid of change in leadership and government generally causes some economic change, no matter how small it may be. Even though it may show to be more evident in certain religions rather than others (i.e. the Catholics with simony and the sale of indulgences) but also a reforming of how the Church operated.
I refute about the Protestant Reformation being more about economic. I believe that it was more of a religious event because it was based upon people's beliefs. The religion was being abused in making people believe the wrong things in what religion was mostly about. Therefore,I would say that ever since Martin Luther decided to post up the 95 Thesis which was when the whole Reformation started to continue took into a huge event. He believed that religion should not be treated like that based on what the Bible says
Person #1
I disagree on what Richard had to say about economic being the most important role in the reformation. I mean, yeah the sale of the indulgences was a part of the reformation and yes they did I would say like steal people's money by making them believe that it was the only way to forgive one's sins but it was most definitly a huge part in religion. Why? because Martin Luther just wanted to make religion the correct way. He didnt believe that the pope who was the head of the church was being trustful to teach people what religion is about. He even made Lutheranism a religion to reformulate the old Christian beliefs.
Person #2
I agree on what joannaisOG said because when Martin Luther created the 95 Thesis because from that point on,all new reformers started to bring up more ideas on how they wanted or thought that religion should be treated. Like Ulrich Zwingli only saw the communion as a symbol. Then that laid an argument with Luther that was based on religion.
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